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Do you support the Measure E tax increase to expand and modernize COC?


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lars1: April 30, 2016 3:20 p.m.

50% of the students at COC do not come from the Santa Clarita Valley.
Why should taxpayers here pay for them?


The salaries at COC are out of control.
Custodians make $100K a year
Welding instructors make $200K a year.
Golf instructors make $200K

Please make the salaries more inline before you hit the taxpayers for free money.


TJH: April 30, 2016 8:06 p.m.

Whoa!

I thought Measure E money doesn't go to salaries.

And I thought students from outside of SCV were good because they bring state funding with them thus enriching COC.

I looked up COC salaries and they are far, far, south of lars1's claims.

Can somebody fact check this?



VRL: April 30, 2016 9:40 p.m.

I am a faculty member at COC. I read the comment made about salaries. First, I would like to tell you that many faculty have a base salary; then work far above and beyond that. They devote themselves to teaching winter and summer; above their contracts. In addition, any published salaries include all benefits paid by the college (health insurance, etc.) and would "appear" to be salary, but are not. Therefore, what you believe you see in print is inflated and not an accurate reflection of salaries.

In addition, Measure E has nothing to do with salaries. All proposed projects for the measure are designed to benefit our students; now and forever. I am a resident of this valley, and have taught at COC for 28 years; 21 of those years full-time. I no longer have children at home, and I am willing to pay for this bond well beyond my retirement years because I know how COC has changed lives. I am proud to say that I am a part of that.

COC has employed so many of its students. As a matter of fact, 8 of our department adjunct faculty members were students in our department at COC. Now, they are our faculty.

This bond measure is not about me; it is not about our administration. It is about our students and the growth of our college. When we see important things that need to be done; we do them. That is what has made COC the amazing college that it is.

Victoria Leonard
Professor, Department Chair, Communication Studies Department


tech: April 30, 2016 11:14 p.m.

"In addition, any published salaries include all benefits paid by the college (health insurance, etc.) and would "appear" to be salary, but are not. Therefore, what you believe you see in print is inflated and not an accurate reflection of salaries."

True. But your defensiveness about your compensation strikes an odd note, Professor Leonard. It's called total compensation and those listed benefits are an accurate summation, are they not?

The SEC requires public companies to detail total compensation of executives beyond salary, i.e. stock options, performance bonuses, etc.

Why should a public entity like COC be any different?


lars1: May 1, 2016 6:57 a.m.

Here is the money made by those at COC,
as part of transparent California. They are accurate and not made up.

These are 2014 figures. We can assume the numbers now are much higher. People look it up, and be disgusted!

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/college-canyons/

Miss Leonard please do not lie and say you are poor. This money IS WAY OUT OF LINE with what you could ever get in the private sector.



Measure E will provide new funding for COC, so more of the existing funding will go to salaries. People should expect the COC salaries to double in the next 10 years.

HOMEOWNERS VOTE NO!


lars1: May 1, 2016 7:06 a.m.

And also Miss Leonard,
your compensation from COC in 2014 was
$127,673.94 as a speech instructor.

You now claim to be Department Chair, Communication Studies Department.
Is your compensation double the 2014 number of $127,673.94?

Are you now making over $200K?

OUT OF CONTROL SALARIES AND BENEFITS!


TJH: May 1, 2016 9:52 a.m.

I'm not sure I'm tracking. It seems to me that total compensation for facility is an important issue, but I don't see how it relates to building the facilities that are needed for college students. Measure E is for infrastructure not salaries.

Can someone please create a separate forum for discussing the merits of using employee compensation as a recruitment and retention strategy. We can then all go over there to call each other liars or whatever.

The discussion here should be about Measure E.


newsreader1965: May 2, 2016 1:11 p.m.

This bond will not guarantee students from this valley will get the classes they need. If the bond stated that Hart District students would get priority registration then I would vote for it. It does not and can not, so I am a no vote. This bond will not help increase my property value either!


tech: May 2, 2016 4:31 p.m.

Because money is fungible, TJH. Monies not allocated in one area are available for other purposes.

Please don't raise the absurd proscriptions. I've been exposed to the accounting sleight-of-hand of non-profit and for-profit enterprises alike.

I'm a homeowner, my sons attend COC and I'm voting No on E.


TJH: May 2, 2016 5:41 p.m.

Well Tech, I guess I don't know much about deceptive accounting. The E webpage says the money is for building out the campus to serve more students. I've met the leadership at the College. I believe them.

I bought my first home here in the late 80's. It's definitely a different place now. Having a great college campus in SCV intuitively makes sense to me.

I was hoping this would be the forum for discussing the merits of expansion & modernization - or not. Perhaps oversite, traffic management, population curves, etc. It didn't make sense to me to bring up a different subject. And it never occurred to me that there is deception. But I can see the connections one might draw, especially in today's political climate of anything goes.

Cool word- proscriptions. Didn't mean to trounce on anyone.

Not attending COC, no kids at COC, Voting Yes anyway.

And not likely to come back to this forum. I'm looking for a different discussion. But I will share my experience here with everyone I know in the SCV.


lifelong_cc_res: May 3, 2016 11:04 a.m.

I agree with lars1. Too much local money is funding/subsidizing individuals from outside the Santa Clarita Valley. This should be a state issue (funding request) since COC is a state institution, but we all know how responsible CA is at managing money. It is naive and disingenuous to force a very localized group of citizens to fund services without guarantee that those same local citizens will get priority access to the services. My daughter graduates from Canyon this spring, and I am sure she will not get to enroll in several of the classes when she needs to over the next two years because individuals from outside the Santa Clarita Valley will be consuming them. Maybe I should send her to a JC in the San Fernando Valley instead, we can get there quicker than we can get to Valencia anyways. I am voting NO.


Petz2: May 3, 2016 2:30 p.m.

Individuals who would like to defeat Measure E are encouraged to call me at 661-609-1739. A list is being put together.


Petz2: May 3, 2016 2:33 p.m.

The actual tax statement issued by COC clearly indicates that salaries for staff are allowed. It is without question in their own documents.


tech: May 3, 2016 6:39 p.m.

"Well Tech, I guess I don't know much about deceptive accounting." - TJH

Noted and thanks for your candor.


dvhcoc: May 3, 2016 6:45 p.m.

Vote Yes! It's about having the courage to imagine it, to dream it, to achieve it and to do it for the benefit of our community. It is a bright future indeed.


anonymousone: May 3, 2016 11:42 p.m.

COC is an integral part of our Community. The investment voters historically have made in COC has paid huge dividends to our local community and our local economy. Many businesses both large and small benefit from the quality students that graduate from COC. The College works closely with these business to provide them the quality employees they need and depend on in order to thrive and survive. COC's reach extends beyond that, and many of the students they helped to educate have become successful and accomplished adults in society.

Here's the bottom line. We all know someone who has benefited from the education they received from COC, whether they be a friend, family member, or neighbor. Why would you not want to continue that opportunity and provide State of the Art Facilities necessary for educating future generations?

I'm voting "Yes" on Measure E. --edited.


timsmith: May 4, 2016 5:32 a.m.

This is not going to benefit the people of Santa Clarita as much as the people wgho live outside the city. We pay, they get a free ride. I am tired of them coming to the voters with the plea, " It's just 10 bucks more". Well guess what? my assessments are over 1800 bucks a year, no more!


binky: May 5, 2016 6:30 a.m.

More than 60% of Hart H.S. graduates attend COC. COC serves as a training base for LA Sheriffs and LA Fire. If COC waited for the State to fund its buildings, it would be half the size it is today. I am voting Yes on E so it can continue to grow (Canyon Country) and serve as a community college for local students and ANY ONE ELSE who needs a foot in the door to a better life through education. More houses means more schools need to be built.


SharonD: May 5, 2016 6:47 a.m.

Taxes are already too high, much of which is allocated to entitlements (but that's another thread). It's time companies and organizations live within their means, budget with the money they have, cut corners where necessary, and stop asking for more money; you know, like we hard-working taxpayers must do when maintenance and repairs are needed to our own possessions.

No more taxes! Vote NO!


cj64: May 6, 2016 7:22 a.m.

It is obvious that Victoria Leonard
Professor, Department Chair, Communication Studies Department
is voting for Measure E.

If she is making over 200K a year working from September to May, she can afford a few more hundred dollars in property taxes. After all, that means her salary will go up to more than pay for it.

Most people in Santa Clarita are not making 200K a year, and cannot afford this outrageous burden.



tech: June 3, 2016 7:56 p.m.

According to COC's Fact Book, only 52% of students are in the COC College District. 48% of enrollees will benefit from your taxes without paying their fair share.

From page 26, Table 9. Participation Rate by Service Area:

Total in District: 10,521
Out of District: 9,782
Total Students: 20,303.

The Out of District student enrollment of 9,782 is 48% of the total enrollment of 20,303.

http://www.canyons.edu/Offices/PIO/Documents/FactBooks/Fact_Book_201415_lo.pdf

Vote No on Measure E.


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